I'm personally still waiting to see what happened to the American that struck ground and a few others at JFK. Cassie Daigle took this photo inside the plane shortly after it stopped. Reports provide details about the accident, analysis of the factual data, conclusions and the probable cause of the accident, and the related safety recommendations. He had been recently suffering from the flu and had lost sleep, and had made only limited and inconsistent use of his prescribed continuous positive airway pressure machine for several days leading to the accident. At least they were at the correct airport. and our CommutAir Flight 4933 (operating as United Express Flight 4933) was a domestic regional flight operating from Newark, New Jersey, to Presque Isle, Maine, in the United States. After the go-around, the first officer asked the captain if she saw the runway lights during the approach. The Daigles were still at the airport as of 2 p.m. after having been interviewed by emergency medical technicians and a United representative, Daigle said. The airplanes instruments indicated that the aircraft was located to the left of the ILS course. Gotta wonder how many more lives need to be lost as a result of airlines looking to fill seats in the cockpit, before they realize sex and skin color are not relevant to qualifications to fly airplanes! Accident: Commutair E145 at Presque Isle. Accident. Track CommutAir (C5) #4933 flight from Houston Bush Int'ctl to Lafayette Rgnl/Paul Fournet Fld. By thoroughly investigating all of the factors that led to the plane missing the runway, the final report issued by the NTSB today can help ensure that this kind of preventable accident never happens again.. The flight departed from Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR) with 28 passengers and three crew members. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Cookie Notice Part of the landing gear was torn away, and the nose cone was damaged. [5], The final report was released by the NTSB on July 12, 2022, more than 3 years after the accident. If you search the database for accidents in Presque Isle, Maine there is no mention of flight 4933. So we fired him. The aircraft touched down at 11:29EST and came to rest in a snow-covered grassy area between the runway and a parallel taxiway. We use cookies to ensure you get the best experience on our site. I appreciated the NTSBs preliminary report that was issued a few weeks after the crash, which was helpful in determining some of the key facts and allowed the airline and the airport to take immediate steps to increase safety. These are the issues PRD is trying to solve. One landing gear sheered off and wedged between fuselage & left engine.N14171 Embraer ERJ-145 pic.twitter.com/Vg07liGiDU. The first officer then spotted a tower near the aircraft's position, and realizing that the aircraft was not aligned properly with the runway, he initiated a missed approach. The captain told the first officer that she could see the runway lights but "it's really white down there thats the problem." NTSB/AAR-17-02 - Collision with Terrain Promech Air, Inc. de Havilland DHC-3, N270PA; Ketchikan, Alaska; June 25, 2015. The first officer stated "I'm staying on the flight director 'cause I don't see it yet", and the captain responded by repeating the phrase "stay in it", followed by "what the [expletive]" and the first officer saying "I dont know what Im seein'." Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. See this is my problem with the industry. The United flights for the Newark-Presque Isle service are operated by CommuteAir, which is partly owned by United. For those who refer to the pilot as a man, I was a passenger in this plane, and the pilot was not a man. Radar track data show that the airplane was aligned right of runway 1 during both approaches. [1]:34, The NTSB commented on the captain's flight training record. [7], The NTSB identified the first officer's lack of sleep as a contributing factor. The accident closed the airport Monday, and it is not known immediately when outgoing and incoming flights will resume, she said. Moreover, prior to the second landing, the pilots discontinued the ILS approach after they had misidentified the runway. NTSB database search results for Presque Isle, Maine. PRESQUE ISLE, Maine A United Airlines flight from Newark to Presque Isle landed roughly on its second approach and then slid off the runway Monday as passengers screamed and some seat parts popped off, according to one occupant. Rick and Cassie Daigle, owners of Too Far North Fitness in Fort Kent, were on this United flight that ended up off the runway at the airport in Presque Isle on Monday morning. ago I did a bit of work in the training department at my regional. Rule 3: We are seeing many changes in the hiring/retention environment in the airlines in the USA. I do not see how PRD will help that kind of situation. Hopefully these things wont slip through the cracks anymore. Of the 31 passengers and crew onboard, two passengers and 1 crewmember received minor injuries. Photos showed some of the landing gear stuck in one of the engines. ^^^ You nailed it. For information on a specific accident or incident, direct your inquiries to the National Transportation Safety Board at the following address: 490 L'Enfant Plaza East, SW. Cass did say to me she will be OK when she sees Keegan, Rick Daigle said. [1]:15, In a post crash interview, the first officer of the flight stated that when he transitioned from looking at his flight instruments to the outside, all he could see was "white on white". Edit: Failed simulator training. The United Embraer EMB-145XR commuter jet, which was operated by regional carrier CommutAir under the United Express banner, took off from Newark Liberty International Airport this morning at. Preventing Windshield Arcing, Smoke, and Fire on Bombardier DHC-8 Airplanes . Interestingly (unless I'm missing something) the CVR transcript still hasn't been released. Presque Isle International Airport will be closed until further notice as representatives of the Federal Aviation Administration investigate, Smith said. Safety Recommendation Report . It was a woman. The pilot did not touch down on the first attempt. The failed landing was the second attempt to land. The fact that the product that airlines seek can be bought and behavior tailored shows just how fucked some hiring practices are. We'll check the IP address and possibly reenable access. Hello world! Of the 28 passengers and 4 crew members on board, four passengers and the pilot were taken to the hospital with minor injuries, said Kim Smith, Presque Isle public information officer. So that was a positive. The Aviation Safety Network is an exclusive service provided by: United Express flight 4933, operated by CommutAir, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI), Maine, USA, and impacted terrain to the right of the runway. Commutair 4933 Roger Roger May 22, 2022 1 2 3 4 Next Roger Roger Paid to sleep, fly for fun May 22, 2022 #1 Couldn't find the original threads, but the docket is open NTSB Docket - Docket Management System data.ntsb.gov Minuteman "Dongola" May 22, 2022 #2 Oh yeah . These training issues sound very much like the FO on Atlas 3591, very obscure training failures that are not painting the whole picture of the pilot involved. The accident took place on a snowy day in 2019 at Presque Isle International Airport. Location: Windsor Locks, Connecticut . Newark-Liberty International Airport, NJ (EWR/KEWR), Presque Isle International Airport, ME (PQI/KPQI), Controlled Flight Into Terrain (CFIT) - Ground, Accident investigation report completed and information captured, Presque Isle International Airport, ME (PQI) (. Same man, was checking about everyday for the last month or so. The runway had been plowed about ten minutes earlier. . The NTSB concluded that the probable cause of the accident was confirmation bias which prompted the crew to continue descending even though they had not positively identified the runway. A local official said it was the pilot's second attempt at a landing. At 11:28EST, as the aircraft descended through 200ft (61m) AGL, the minimum decision height for the approach, the captain called out "runway in sight twelve o'clock." Ive always heard of LOFT as Lack Of Fucking Talent. If you search the database for accidents in Presque Isle, Maine there is no mention of flight 4933. As a leader of the Transportation Appropriations Subcommittee, Senator Collins has consistently secured robust funding for the instrument landing system (ILS) that provides pilots with precision landing information in poor visibility. Accident Number: ENG15IA024 Operator/Flight Number: United Express flight 4776 (operated by CommutAir) Aircraft and Registration: Bombardier DHC-8-202, N363PH . The scene inside the airplane as it landed was one of chaos with people screaming and seats coming apart, Daigle said. Archived post. Fleet type match . There were 28 passengers and three crew members on board CommutAir flight 4933 flying from Newark to Presque Isle, the company said. Operating Certificate(s) Held: Flag carrier (121), Operator Does Business As: United Express. The first impact was hard and violent.. In August 2016, the aircraft was transferred to CommutAir. On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, a 50 passenger Embraer plane, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport in light to moderate snow. Contradicting the report that the plane landed on the runway and then skidded off, he said, that the actual landing, if you want to call it that, completely missed the runway. Subscribe . The National Transportation Safety Board traveled to the scene of this accident. United Express flight 4933, operated by CommutAir, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI), Maine, USA, and impacted terrain to the right of the runway. . Many were hired right after failures. It was the copilot's first day on the job. If he cant tell were the runway is what other skills is he lacking???? And before anyone starts screaming discrimination and racism, go F off, I know pilots of every sex, color and creed that are outstanding aviators, AND I know white pilots that I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them! Do you want to learn about the safety record of Commutair? [4], The aircraft was substantially damaged and was subsequently written off as a result. They also ping the FO for not using his CPAP in a few places. This incident at the airport in Presque Isle was very disturbing and frightening for the passengers and crew who were involved, said Senator Collins. On Mar 5th 2019 the FAA reported: "Commutair Flight 4933 Embraer E45X landed in the grass area beside the runway due to unknown circumstances." The occurrence was rated an accident. [1]:78, The aircraft ascended from a minimum altitude of 703ft (214m) mean sea level (MSL) [169ft (52m) above ground level (AGL)] to around 1,000ft (300m) MSL. Biggest teller? Although she had subsequently received her EMB-145 type rating and been upgraded to captain, the NTSB said that "her repeated training problems indicated an inadequate foundation for being a captain, which CommutAir did not effectively address. CommutAir Flight 4933 (operating as United Express Flight 4933) was a domestic regional flight operating from Newark, New Jersey, to Presque Isle, Maine, in the United States. You had me till you brought up sex and skin Color. So if they can get through training, off to the line they go. ALPA needs to be stop defending these pilots all the time. This was the second approach to runway 1 after having conducted a missed approach during the first approach. Left Republic due to LOFT issueswhat does that mean??? There are pilots making it into airline cockpits that have had training failures at other airlines and they have been able to hide them from future employers. It is not clear what may have caused this to happen, Smith said. The final straw was flying in IMC into a bay surrounded by mountains to eht to a local village (Alaska) the villagers complained loudly. They have no business being in these cockpits. [1]:5. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. Even when it's non-functional, they still write a report on it. The plane literally is nowhere near the actual runway, he said, adding that snowplows had to remove snow so that emergency responders could get to the plane to help the injured passengers. [1]:710, CommutAir and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) initially reported that the aircraft had touched down on the runway and then slid off, but the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) later clarified that the aircraft had missed the runway entirely. She was slightly ahead of me in seniority at C5, but then left for VX right before she could upgrade. The flight was operating under the provisions of Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 121 as a regularly scheduled domestic passenger from Newark International Airport (KEWR), Newark, New Jersey, to KPQI. Lead Journalist - South America - Daniel comes to Simple Flying with many years of aviation journalism experience, having worked with Mexican publication A21, Roads & Kingdoms, El Economista and more. 2017. The captain responded that she saw the lights but that it was also really white at PQI. Carguychris (talk) 14:50, 1 August 2022 (UTC) Relisting. Fired from what airline ? At least five days before the accident, six pilots who flew into PQI encountered issues with the ILS localizer. We tell them Our goal here is to overwhelm you to see how you handle it I watched one applicant put us in a 30 degree nose down tuning a radio. The failure of CommutAir pilots who had observed an issue with the ILS prior to the accident and failed to report it to the company and air traffic control. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Can anyone confirm the following?There was no runway involved in the accident Never landed on the runway.Captain had been fired from another airline.Captain was "difficult" (I'm trying to be nice here) to fly with. Not sure if this Captain is one of them, but she sure does seem to have had quite a few more failures then I would be comfortable flying with. According to the report, the landing followed the pilot's second approach to runway 1 after having conducted a missed approach during the first approach. A pilot and two passengers received minor injuries. The aircraft that arrived around 11:30 a.m. Monday also sustained unspecified damage and is remaining in place until investigators with the Federal Aviation Administration can assess the incident, Smith said. The National Transportation Safety Board is an independent federal agency charged by Congress with investigating every civil aviation accident in the United States and significant accidents in other modes of transportation highway, marine, pipeline , and railroad . There are probably so many qualified candidates out there that would be a joy to fly with but didnt get the job because they used the wrong greeting. On Mar 5th 2019 the FAA reported: "Commutair Flight 4933 Embraer E45X landed in the grass area beside the runway due to unknown circumstances." The occurrence was rated an accident. CommutAir Flight 4933 - Per WP: COMMONNAME, crashes of . Airborne 02.24.23: GAMA 2022 Report, Piper News, Starship March Launch. CommutAir 4933 accident at PQI docket has been released to the public by the NTSB data.ntsb.gov This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast 68 44 44 comments Best EJ1134 7 mo. United/CommutAir 4933 had departed from Newark, New Jersey, and was scheduled to land at Presque Isle at 10:49 a.m., but instead arrived about 45 minutes behind schedule. The aircraft was piloted by a 40-year-old captain who joined CommutAir in March 2013 before working for another air carrier in November 2015. The report determined the probable causes of this accident to be the flight crews decision, due to confirmation bias, to continue the descent below the decision altitude when the runway had not been positively identified. It is preliminary and is based on the facts as they are known at this time. The broadcast contained a halftime report of game 6 of an NBA playoff series between Golden State and Memphis. The airplane touched down before he could determine what he was seeing. His specialist knowledge of Latin American airlines and close relationship with the likes of Aeromexico, Avianca, Volaris brings depth to our coverage in the region. Contrary to early reports, they missed the runway entirely. That final report has been out for months. On Mar 21st 2019 the NTSB reported: "On March 4, 2019, at 1143 eastern standard time, CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. I bet the Captain's story is, its the planes fault, or the airports fault? The "issues" she speaks of was that she lied about hours and qualifications and it went beyond that but I can't remember the specifics. The accident took place on a snowy day in Presque Isle, Maine. A review of NBA playoff history indicated that the only occurrence of an NBA playoff game 6 where Golden State was leading Memphis at halftime 58-49 was on May 15, 2015". Nonetheless, they didnt call for a second go-around. Wow, clearly that investigator was a sport's guy, cause I wouldn't have known what to make of it. Rick Daigle said the scene inside the airplane as it landed was one of chaos with people screaming and seat parts popping off. The NTSB has released a preliminary report from an incident in which a CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. Simple Flying will be at the Farnborough Airshow next week. 553 .1972 12 8, N9031U (City of Lincoln): 2 737-222 : 1 . . United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in. [1]:15, Around the time of the first approach, the Automatic Weather Observation System (AWOS) at the airport was reporting wind from 060 at 4kn (4.6mph; 7.4km/h) and visibility of 0.50mi (0.80km) in moderate snow and freezing fog.